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Location:

St. Petersburg,FL,

Member Since:

Dec 30, 2014

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

  • 5k - 3/8/14 - Armadillo Run - 15:58
  • 10k - 2/7/15 - BDR, Safety Harbor - 33:17
  • 15k - 2/21/15 - Gasparilla - 51:05
  • 1/2 - 12/14/14 - Holiday Halfathon - 1:13:31
  • Marathon - 10/04/15 - Twin Cities - 2:38:46

Short-Term Running Goals:

2016 Races

Clearwater Halfathon - Jan 11
Donna Hicken Marathon - Feb 14
Gasparilla 15k - Feb 20
Florida Beach Halfathon - Mar 6
??? Chicago Marathon ???

Long-Term Running Goals:

Find balance. Run with my girls. Break 15 in the 5k.

Personal:

Born in 1973 in Southern California.

Ran in high school for Arcadia. They have a famous cross-country team now. In my day, we were famous for dodging our coach during runs.

Over the next 15 years I ran very little, but life was awesome. I lived mostly in Northern California, where I met my wife. We moved back to her native state of Florida in 2005, where I gradually started running more seriously.

 

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Wednesday evening ruminations. Normally I don’t have enough time to think through the things I write on here. So I just post whatever seems apropos at the moment. Since I’m traveling this week, I have enough time to slow down and think a bit.

I ran another 12 miles on the BWI loop after work. When I woke up this morning, I didn’t run and thought I should probably take a day off. I’ve been feeling a little beat up and unrecovered each day – normal signs that an off day is needed. Work was long and stressful, and as I was driving back to my hotel I saw many cyclists and runners on the trail. It hit home that I really wanted to be out there. If I was a professional runner, it would be my job to make the 100% logical decision and focus on recovery. Since I’m not a professional runner, I ran the loop at a decent clip and had a great time.

It’s easy when training for a goal race to think that it’s the gravitational center of my running. But it’s not. Even when one of those rare great races transpires, the value of that moment is limited. You can go back and caress the medal every day, but the moment constantly recedes.

On the other hand, the process of training gives you a well you can return to. Today, I knew I should probably recover, but what I really wanted to do was run 12 miles at a decent clip and just enjoy the ride. Getting into that flow is something very few people have access to, unfortunately. It’s one of the best mind-body connections you can have without illicit substances.

Going back to recovery- normally by Wednesday I’d have done a workout. I’ve been holding off because I’m planning to do my peak workout (16 miles @ MP) on the BWI loop before work on Friday. I expect this to be challenging, and I need every edge I can get.

On the matter of plans, I’m mostly convinced the above is the right thing to do, but I have my doubts. I would hope that anyone reading this, who happens to disagree, would feel free to do so. The topic of disagreement is on my mind since I’m currently working with a client in a role that requires mediation. Often, programmers code a process and become attached to that design. Critiquing the design is akin to critiquing the person’s intelligence, merit, value, etc. I have always had a disconnect with ideas – I feel that they can and should be debated separately from value judgments about the parties involved. There are lines of course – you don’t engage in personal insults in an ideas discussion. But why would you, if the debate is about ideas?

Going back to my plan for Friday – I’ve been scoping the loop on my easy runs for places to plant water bottles, best start location, etc. Although I’ve done a few 10 mile MP runs, I’m pretty unsure about my prospects here. This loop is mostly flat but does have enough roll that I’m concerned my lack of hill training will be exposed. I have enough thoughts on that for another post, so I’ll end there.

Comments
From Mike on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 11:31:18 from 168.213.5.107

I think you should go for it tomorrow and see how it feels. Gear up for it, but remind yourself that you can do the workout this weekend or next week if need be. It's in your best interest to try to get it done in that weather although, so I again say, go for it.

From Jason D on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 11:56:29 from 139.84.48.251

An excellent post, Drew.

I think 16 at MP is tough, but for a runner of your caliber I think it's a good peak workout. 4 weeks out sounds about right to me. 3 weeks might be too close.

I did a 24 miler with a half marathon tempo after 10 miles 3 weeks out from a marathon. Don't make that mistake :-) I'm not sure it was my downfall but it didn't help and it was too close.

From jtshad on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 13:20:54 from 141.221.191.225

I agree with Mike and Jason that you have the base and capability to go for this workout. If you are not feeling it, you can pull the plug and you still have another weekend to try a workout/long run.

Good ponderings...you are at that point in your training where you will feel tired and you know best the capability/balance of recovery and training. Each person is different in this, but the training when you are tired pays off (as long as it doesn't lead to injury). You are a smart enough runner to tell the difference. Plus, as you indicate, the run in sometimes necessary for a multitude of reasons!

From Jake K on Thu, Sep 03, 2015 at 14:11:15 from 199.190.170.29

Drew - I've done the 16 @ MP (or close to it, 97-100%) several times. Jason is right - 3 weeks is too close. I did it 3.5 weeks out once, that turned out fine... those extra 3 days make a difference with a workout like this.

The other thing I'd recommend - take an extra day or two of recovery after... 4 easier days minimum. Treat it like a long race (it is, in some ways). I've gotten more out of it when I gave myself more rest. I've always done it on an empty tank, but that may not be a great idea.

Run with music if you can... it takes a lot of mental energy to dial-in for 90-100 minutes. Save that for the marathon, when you really need it.

And obviously do 16.3 miles (26.2K) if you are feeling good :-)

From Drew on Fri, Sep 04, 2015 at 11:50:11 from 108.12.189.32

Hey guys - thank you very much for both the supportive comments and the excellent advice. I incorporated as much of it as possible (and plan to take it easy for at least 4 days as Jake recommended).

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