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Location:

St. Petersburg,FL,

Member Since:

Dec 30, 2014

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

  • 5k - 3/8/14 - Armadillo Run - 15:58
  • 10k - 2/7/15 - BDR, Safety Harbor - 33:17
  • 15k - 2/21/15 - Gasparilla - 51:05
  • 1/2 - 12/14/14 - Holiday Halfathon - 1:13:31
  • Marathon - 10/04/15 - Twin Cities - 2:38:46

Short-Term Running Goals:

2016 Races

Clearwater Halfathon - Jan 11
Donna Hicken Marathon - Feb 14
Gasparilla 15k - Feb 20
Florida Beach Halfathon - Mar 6
??? Chicago Marathon ???

Long-Term Running Goals:

Find balance. Run with my girls. Break 15 in the 5k.

Personal:

Born in 1973 in Southern California.

Ran in high school for Arcadia. They have a famous cross-country team now. In my day, we were famous for dodging our coach during runs.

Over the next 15 years I ran very little, but life was awesome. I lived mostly in Northern California, where I met my wife. We moved back to her native state of Florida in 2005, where I gradually started running more seriously.

 

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AM: 7 miles.

PM: 8 miles.

An interesting and frank conversation with Quint at lunch, which really started a couple days ago at track with Lee. In a nutshell, both guys have told me they think my races this winter are underperformances.

The thinking is that I race too conservatively, not really finding another gear beyond what I have established in workouts. The workouts I did that were most specific to my races this winter were:

  • 10k: 3x2 miles, averaged ~5:21. Couple weeks later averaged 5:21 in a 10k.
  • 15k: 5 mile tempo, averaged ~5:28. My 15k pace was 5:28.
  • 1/2: 2 weeks out ran 8 miles @ 5:35, averaged 5:36 for 13.1

If anything, my serious track workouts are more skewed, where I run sub 5:00 pace for most repeats. That said, my best distance is probably 5k, so shorter reps are more a strength than say, marathon pace.

I'm a little divided. On one hand, I'd love to think that with some minor tweaks I could be running at a higher level. I do think there is plenty to think about in terms of what they're saying.

On the other hand, I'm comfortable with my approach, which is pretty good at predicting what will happen, and arriving at incremental improvments. I guess the question is whether I'm artificially limiting myself, or am I just dialed in to what I can reasonably do?

Comments
From Jason D on Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:59:13 from 139.84.48.251

That's some honest (and tough) criticism. Were the 8 miles @ 5:35 consecutive or broken up into 2 mile repeats? 8 miles at goal pace seems like too much, especially given your level.

I am noticing that you are running PRs consistently (all are recent) and they are some decent chunks given your abilities. And your are doing it at ALL distances.

I used to run 3-5 minute PRs in the half every time I went out and when I started only running 25-30 PRs seconds I would get frustrated, but a wise voice on the blog told me (and I hope he chimes in here), "it gets much harder to run PRs."

My wife will sometimes ask me what my goal is by which she means what is the end goal. I tell her "get faster." What she is really asking is "what will make you happy or satisfied?"

And once again, like any good academic I have said a lot and said nothing :-)

From Bret on Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:21:03 from 216.234.133.229

Hmm.. I would tend to disagree that it is an "underperformance" if you are notching PR's in multiple distances at age 41 - especially if it is in line with your training results. If you were turning in markedly slower race results against your training times, they may have a point.

Perhaps they are suggesting instead that you have more in the tank than you give yourself credit for. That you can be more aggressive/competitive and less conservative in races and see even more significant PR's than you have seen. Sounds to me like they have got your back and they want to see you succeed even more. Those are good training partners to have.

From Drew on Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:39:43 from 24.73.66.122

Jason - yes, the 8 miles was continuous. In the late stage of half-marathon build-ups, that is kind of a barometer workout for me. Your response says plenty too, thanks. :) I do think 8 miles is on the high end for that type of tempo, probably to their point.

Bret - you have it just right in your second paragraph. They are being honest - but totally supportive, just to be clear.

From Jake K on Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 14:07:45 from 159.212.71.69

I'm typically most impressed by runners who have a very good / realistic sense of what they are capable of (both in workouts and races) and then perform well consistently in competition. From what I've seen you do in the past two months, it seems like you are really, really good in that area. It's impressive. I like your approach. If you are knocking out PRs across the board, I'd be hesitant to change the formula too much.

I also had no idea you were in your 40s. I would have guessed mid-30s w/ the times you are cranking out!

From Drew on Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 15:27:11 from 24.92.19.68

Thanks Jake - coming from someone of your talent and ability - that is very cool.

With the end of the racing season rapidly approaching in FL, I will probably try to incorporate a bit more aggressive approach in my last couple races - worst case, I will learn something.

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